<\/em>There was something really great about that tour because other than maybe a few singles the audience had never seen us, so there was a lot of curiosity and openness to us and Ramones, as different as we were. Later on, fans kind of decided they liked this band or didn\u2019t like this band, but everything happened very quickly. I remember we did a show at the Roundhouse [in London] where somebody in the audience was gobbing on the bands and, of course, Ramones really didn\u2019t like this. Understandably enough, they didn\u2019t see it as a sign of \u2013 ha! \u2013 respect: \u201cWe\u2019re with you so we\u2019re gonna spit on you.\u201d Ramones got more of that than we did, but at least they had leather jackets. We didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n
Ever since the Stop Making Sense tour, it seems to me that your<\/strong> live shows ha<\/strong>ve been a<\/strong> quest to unchain the band from the physical restrictions of the typical rock concert. If <\/strong>that is so, where do you go from here? <\/strong>Lucifer_Sam
<\/em>From various tours I\u2019d realised that my guitar could be wireless. Then I did a tour with St Vincent where the brass players had started in marching bands, so were used to being mobile. I thought: \u201cOK, what about drums?\u201d I looked at drumline in American football and samba schools in Rio. I asked my longtime percussionist Mauro [Refosco] how many players we\u2019d need to break down the drum kit into components and he said six. I took a big gulp and said: \u201cI think we can afford it.\u201d Then I discovered a Hungarian company which had invented a Midi keyboard on a self-powered rack. Suddenly, the whole band were liberated to move about, which democratised the concert experience for the musicians and the audience, who get to understand what each one does.<\/p>\n
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